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Celia Ludi's avatar

Thank you.

I would just note not just Black people are grieving this child, and the failure of the system and the people who created and protect and defend it instead of human beings.

Barry Kent MacKay's avatar

Dental appointment coming up, so this from memory. We had a case a few years back where the police fired at a bad guy as he drove away. A bullet struck and killed a child that the cops did not know was in the car. Two days ago, on a bridge in Toronto I've often walked, driven, rode over and walked under, at about 1:30 a.m., a car rammed a cop up against concrete, injuring him (he'll be okay) and then drove off amid gunfire. The driver stopped, fled, and was caught, and found to be injured by -- something...bullet, shrapnel, something else. He was 12 years old!

I haven't seen today's news but last I heard he had come through surgery and would be charged with, among many things, attempted murder.

In both these cases, especially the last one as it is fresh in my mind, we read that, put simply, thou shall not shoot at a fleeing vehicle unless there is an immediate threat to someone's life, even though thy be a cop.

As always when a police gun is fired in public (I can think of an exception I once witnessed...but that's a whole different story) we await the results of an investigation.

About a week or so ago, in remote northern Ontario, an Ontario Provincial Police officer was struck and killed by a vehicle,, (allegedly) on purpose, driver charged with murder.

And then ere that registered, a special force officer of, I think, the Toronto Police, on a dark-of-early morning high risk raid of an apartment had a single shot fired at him., and was killed.

Had I a gun and had someone rammed me up against concrete, and tried to kill me, I think, gentle though I may be, I'd have emptied the magazine in the direction of his fleeing car provided it was not fleeing toward a crowd, but I'm not a trained cop.

So the rules for police up here are don't shoot. at a fleeing car, and under no conditions is shoplifting grounds for lethal force, full stop, period. But then look at those murders of the ICE protestors...they must be prosecuted. if your country is ever to be regarded one where there is rule of law.

We are a deadly species...always with a reason to kill...but almost never one that is morally justified any which way, IMHO.

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